A good car for under $45,000 CAD ($41250 USD)

"Zohaibman72" (zohaibman72) 04/08/2014 at 17:29 • Filed to: Car Hunting, New Car, Purchasing

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Pretend your a 30 year old with a 3 year old daughter and a wife. Pretend, in 2008, you bought a Corolla S for your first car because Toyota was giving the best deal for a compact and you liked it the most at the time. Now you decide you need something better with money you saved, you plan to buy a new car in the next couple of years. Pretend your dream car is a Chevrolet Corvette.

I am none of these things but I do know someone who is. They are currently looking for a new car, and they have their eyes set on a brand new, or year old Hyundai Genesis (the Turboless V6 one). They don't like used cars, and probably will never buy one, they also don't like American cars and probably have a very low chance of buying one. I've almost convinced them to look at a mustang. The two cars they are most likely to buy are a 2014 Mazda 6 or a Hyundai Genesis Coupe, I advised against the Mazda because he wants a car that everyone will think is cool and whatever, and honestly, in about 10-15 years, the current Mazda 6 will be remembered as nothing but a Camry and Accord competitor. So are there any other cars for $45,000 CAD? Any recommendations?

A likely contender for his next purchase.

Note: he is weird and doesn't like wagons or hatches. Next car will be preferred to come in manual.

Brian Silvestro > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 17:32

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Used E90 M3?

Zohaibman72 > Brian Silvestro 04/08/2014 at 17:33

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You know how awesome it'd be if he actually went for that? Very. Too bad he doesn't like used, I could always try to convince him though.

Dsscats > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 17:34

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why noT a used Vette?

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 17:35

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The G37 (now the Q60 coupe) starts at just over $40k USD. It's also the biggest competitor to the Gene Coupe. Decent competitor, and it sounds like sex.

Zohaibman72 > Dsscats 04/08/2014 at 17:35

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I suggested this to him earlier, and hes looking. But hes super picky when it comes to used, he follows the whole "Another persons problem" philosophy.

Brian Silvestro > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 17:35

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*starts crying*

New STI?

Zohaibman72 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 04/08/2014 at 17:36

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Oh this is pretty good, might talk to him about it. He loves the G37 and G35, always has.

Zohaibman72 > Brian Silvestro 04/08/2014 at 17:38

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The STI is out of the price range, the WRX isn't. I keep trying to convince him to get the WRX, especially since he wont ever go to a track. But he feels like he doesn't get the full effect. I really want him to get one because I've never been in a Subaru and the WRX STI is in my top 3 Favorite cars. I have 4 posters of current and last gen ones!

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 17:39

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It's just at the upper bounds of the price limit. But if he's willing to spend the cheddar, it might very well be a better option. They both perform similarly. It's basically Class VS Brash at that point.

N/A POWAAAHH > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 17:39

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2013 STI tsurugi? Fast with no racer boy wing

Zohaibman72 > N/A POWAAAHH 04/08/2014 at 17:41

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Wow this is good, especially because the spoiler is his least favourite part.

Zohaibman72 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 04/08/2014 at 17:42

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This really seems like a possible test drive.

Dunnik > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 17:43

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The new 4-door GTI when it comes out could be had for 10k less. But then there's the "never buy a redesigned car in its first model year" thing. The GTI should still be what it always was, a practical 4-door hatch that thinks its a sports car. Or he could get the current gen Golf R.

N/A POWAAAHH > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 17:43

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They look fairly "professional" in dark colours, especially for a STI

Dsscats > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 17:47

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Buy one through a dealer with Some short warranty

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 17:48

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OK, so his dream car is a Vette, but he doesn't like American cars?

Tell him to buy a Camaro, it's made in Canada after all...

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 17:51

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My other recommendation in this price range is always either a Golf R or an ATS 2.0T. Both would be quality autos but represent very different sections of the market.

Zohaibman72 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 04/08/2014 at 17:54

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this logic is beyond me too. He doesn't like the Camaro. He finds it to be much too common (I don't disagree, its everywhere) and that kinda makes it seem less impressive to him overall.

Zohaibman72 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 04/08/2014 at 17:55

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I don't know his stance on the ATS, but I know he doesn't like the Golf. He doesn't like hatchbacks and uses the Golf as an example as to why he doesnt like them.

Zohaibman72 > Dsscats 04/08/2014 at 17:56

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This would happen, but can the corvette even fit a 3 year old?

QCGoose > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 17:56

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-Dream car is a Corvette

-Doesn't like American cars

*scratches head*

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 17:56

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Tell him it's the cheapest way to get a new TTS. That's not a lie.

Zohaibman72 > Dunnik 04/08/2014 at 17:58

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I wanted to him to get the GTI, so when hes done with it I can has. But he told me he really dislikes the GTI. He doesn't like the look and shape of Hatchbacks, finds it to be too much of a teenagerish car, It's quite expensive in Canada (I agree), and he doesn't see much in it.

Zohaibman72 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 04/08/2014 at 17:59

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He likes the new TT alot and I told him the Golf is just a TT expect more practical. But he likes the TT for it's looks moreso than its power.

Zohaibman72 > QCGoose 04/08/2014 at 18:01

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Yup, makes no sense to me either. I think the love for the Corvette comes from seeing one at an autoshow with his Dad, it's a nostalgic thing. But the reason he doesn't like American is because of the bad experience in the family. The only american car they had that didn't go to complete crap was my moms (his sisters) 2003 Malibu. Before that they only bought American, after that they never bought American.

Bluecold > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 18:04

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If he wants a car that everybody thinks is cool, why is he considering a Genesis Coupe, which nobody thinks is cool? Just look at the overwrought styling.

Either way, most new cars are too nice to be cool. Being cool requires a certain amount of conviction. To me, a 4C owner is cool because the owner has chosen the difficult path instead of the easy way. Same goes for any Lotus, or anything completely impractical on the streets, but you just know that the owner is having a blast at the right road on the right time and that's the only reason he has it. A Genesis Coupe does not speak of conviction. Now a Volvo S60 does sort of. It's a tiny statement that says that you would indeed like a phone with better battery life even if it meant a smaller screen. And that your bike has fenders and brakes. It also is not the mundane choice.

So, Volvo S60, starting at 41k can$ it seems. Also, looks good, and I thought Volvo had quite good resale which is quite important if you're going to sell it. The Hyundai will have absolutely horrendous resale methinks. Korean boy racer car.

Dunnik > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 18:04

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Assuming the Jetta GLI is made in Germany instead of Mexico (not sure about that) a fully loaded 6MT GLI can be had for 40 and change. A bit more mature looking, and very much the sleeper.

Same price - what a coincidence - as a loaded Audi A4 Quattro 6MT.

As for the Genesis, Ugh.

Kailand09 > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 18:06

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I'd buy something cheaper and just save my money to buy the 'vette for fair weather and non-toddler duty (haha, duty).

WRX isn't too expensive these days, but I'd almost just go for a focus ST. But he doesn't like american. So he just needs to not be so picky.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 18:11

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Tell him to drive one.

Zohaibman72 > Bluecold 04/08/2014 at 18:12

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I'm half and half with you. I think the Volvo S60 and most of the cars you mentioned are cool, but I don't think the Genesis is not cool. I still go to highschool, and most people want to hear what the cool kids think is cool or whatever. Everyone finds the Genesis cool, over here brand preference is a thing of the past, since Hyundai is litereally topping everything in Canada currently. I don't know about the US but Hyundai has the most awards of any Car company, so it really helps when it comes to depreciation and all that, and the Genesis actually doesn't depreciate that fast surprisingly. We looked at used ones. Also RWD Coupe won't ever be uncool in my opinion, if it's made by toyota, hyundai or suzuki. It is just something that is so perfect, I give the Genesis props for not being some FWD crap box, like the Tiburon was. I've never really seen anyone insult a Hyundai for being Hyundai here since the new ones are overwhelmingly popular. Also if it's cool in his head, that should also count.

QCGoose > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 18:14

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Wait. The only one that DIDN'T go to complete crap... was an '03 Malibu? Wow, I shutter to think what they had that before, if that was their most reliable one.

I could see THAT car, the '97-'05 Malibu, being the American car to turn ANYONE off from American cars.

Zohaibman72 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 04/08/2014 at 18:16

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That I will.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 18:18

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actually the 2015 STI starts at 38K in Canada and it has some pretty AMAZEBALLS lease deals(about $100-120/mth less that equivalent $38000 car with 0 down). That would be a better buy than the Genesis that's for damn sure and remember 4dr>2dr.

Conan > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 18:21

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Will the Tesla Model E be out? American but different also?

Zohaibman72 > QCGoose 04/08/2014 at 18:23

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I know right!? My Grandpa had a Buick Skylark, Pontiac Bonneville, Pontiac Gran Prix in the past (and a firebird that someone crashed into while parked). My Grandmother has had a Chrysler LeBaron, Pontiac Sunbird, a 1999 Malibu. My mother has had a Cavalier (which she despised) and the '03 Malibu. Mostly GM cars, mainly because one of the Aunts in my family owned a Dodge Shadow, Dodge Stealth and then Dodge Intrepid, which all got tons of engine and transmission problems. Nobody in my family has owned a ford, and I to this day don't know why.

Zohaibman72 > Dunnik 04/08/2014 at 18:24

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He really likes the Jetta GLI, but volkswagens are overpriced in Canada sadly. As are Audis. Though they aren't completely out of the question, a used 2012 GLI would be good.

Zohaibman72 > Conan 04/08/2014 at 18:26

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His father wants a Model S, so Model E would be good, but most likely he will have the new car before the Model E is even out.

Zohaibman72 > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 04/08/2014 at 18:27

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The Genesis is number 1, while the Mazda 6 and STI are fighting for 2nd spot. I've been trying to make the Mazda 6 look bad as possible and the STI as good as possible.

Dunnik > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 18:28

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Silly tarrifs.

Where in Canada do they live? This could factor into the decision due to our wildy varying geography and weather.

Zohaibman72 > Dunnik 04/08/2014 at 18:33

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Near Toronto. Pretty much toronto.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 18:35

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you may want to get him to read this.

http://jalopnik.com/2015-subaru-wr…

Seems like an easy choice to me. especially in alberta where you can get behind the wheels of a 2015 STI for $535/mth with 0 down.

Bluecold > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 18:37

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I don't say the car is uncool because it is a Hyundai. I'm saying it likely depreciates fast because it's a Hyundai. At least in the netherlands that seems to be the case. (I'm dutch)

Also, I don't think most two door coupe's are cool. I'd even say that most two door coupes are not cool at all. Too many boy racers wrapping them around poles. Driven wheels do not matter on coolness. I do applaud mfg's for still making them and I definitely want one, but I'm painfully aware of the non-coolness of something like a GT86. I'm also saying the Genesis is especially uncool because of the overwrought styling.

Also, I'm loathe to talk down to you based on age, but wouldn't you agree with me that most stuff that is cool in high school isn't cool later on in life? In any case, if you think something is cool, don't let anything some guy on the internet says about it get in your way.

Dunnik > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 18:40

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Did last winter increase their appetite for an AWD car? It sure did mine. Spend more at the pumps but in that critical moment, a good AWD system can save the situation.

Maybe they should consider the Big Three, each of which has available AWD: the 3-Series, the C300 and the Quattro. Pricey, but each are either inside this range or just outside it. The A4, btw, has long had a reputation of being a very safe small car.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 18:44

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The TT is a good lookin car.

Zohaibman72 > Dunnik 04/08/2014 at 19:08

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It actually decreased their appetite for a RWD car. Their corolla handeled the snow fine, but AWD would have helped. The Germans seem like a great idea, espeically BMW and Audi. My Grandpa's experience with Mercedes 'wonderful' customer support totally turns my uncle off from buying a merc.

Long Live the Longdoor > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 21:23

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VW's are a little overpriced in Canada. Although, the new GTI dropped in price by $1300 this year (to $27,995) which helps. In fact, you can get the sport package for just under $30k (before taxes, freight etc.), which adds the always awesome looking 18" rims and a sunroof (basically how I'd equip it). I've always felt that the GTI was pushing the limits of what I'd be willing to pay for a hot hatch in Canada, but between the really good quality interior and the conservative styling that ages well (I still think the Mk V looks good), it's a big win in my book (and now it's finally a bit cheaper in Canada, bigger win).

Long Live the Longdoor > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 21:45

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Can't really fault him for wanting the Genesis Coupe 3.8, the interior is fabulous (I've sat in several at past auto shows) and if I were buying it, I'd go for the V6 too (the 2.0T doesn't sound good enough). It'd make for an excellent GT car, a good everyday cruiser IMHO. If he were looking to hold on to it for 10-15 years, it's a pretty solid choice (if he were only keeping it for a few years, depreciation might be a concern).

Otherwise, I know he isn't the biggest hatch fan, but a new Mini Cooper S would be a decent choice, the price was reduced this year to $25490 (~$2500 cheaper). In person, the car is actually quite striking and the interior is quite nice (I liked the placement of the gear shifter, your hand falls right onto it from the steering wheel). With his budget, he could easily spec it just the way he likes it.

Also, dat v6:

Dsscats > Zohaibman72 04/08/2014 at 21:55

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In front....

Zohaibman72 > Dsscats 04/08/2014 at 23:31

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I remember hearing somewhere that in Canada you actually can't have children in the front. They must be in the back, anyways its too impractical for someone like him now.